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Robert Lopez served 8 years in our military, fighting in Iraq as a tank commander.  He was told he'd get his whole education bill paid for when he got out of the service, but like so many others, Mr. Lopez has faced the bleak reality of a government that has turned its back on its veterans.

That is why Senators Jim Webb and Chuck Hagel proposed the new GI Bill, which would bring back WWII-style standards of providing vets with full tuition, room and board.  And that is why 51 senators have signed on, including 9 Republicans like John Warner, giving this GI Bill tremendous bipartisan support.

But it isn't enough.  Faced with unprecedented filibusters, the only way to ensure Senate passage of the GI Bill is to get 60 co-sponsors. So far, John McCain has refused.  The same McCain who insists he supports our troops.  The same McCain who is voting lockstep with the Bush administration (who have also resisted this bill).  We need to get John McCain to lead — to sign now and signal to other Republican leaders that we should be strongly behind our vets.

Robert Lopez thinks John McCain ought to stand in his shoes to know how difficult it is to be a vet and have to pay staggering education costs.  THIS is your call to arms.  Pass the video along and implore your friends to sign the petition.

Vote Vets, WesPAC, and Brave New Films feel passionately about giving our veterans the support they rightly deserve.  Our government owes our troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan the opportunity to receive full educational benefits.  These patriots have fought hard for our government; it's time our government started fighting hard for them.

Topics · John McCain · Iraq war · Tuition · education · votevets · GI bill · wespac

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johnniec commented 6 days ago:

If you openly admit you can't use a computer, how can you say you have experience doing anything for the past 15 years? McBush = OLDNEWS. Time for CHANGE = VOTE OBAMA!

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Talentum Hummus commented 23 days ago:

What will McCain do to resolve the POW/MIA cases that are still outstanding with Vietnam? While cow-towing to the republicans over the last decade and acquiescing his candidacies he is certainly due the nomination, but in the same vein he, like Kerry, has sold out his brethren to whitewash the issue to curry political favor.

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Robert Kunferman commented about 1 month ago:

Most of the expense at my University in Wisconsin is from having at least two times the number of people in administrative positions that are getting paid at lest five times what they are worth. Almost always createing problems for people they do not like, or should I say that are not afraid to express their political opinions.

It is actually a country club here in Wisconsin, where the government skum has their third generation government skum offspring fill a position in Northern Wisconsin. This often takes place right after they complete their government administration degree, and advanced underwater basket weaving or social worker second and third degrees. This is their training ground for them to learn to fuck up a steal ball with a rubber mallet, and in Northern Wisconsin it is deemed nearly impossible to harm the dullards that live there.

After padding their resumes and sexxing their parent's friends enough, then they may get offered one of the highly sought after, do nothing jobs of campus administrative, deputy to the assistant, acting concubine to the director of director jobs, which allows for more artificial padding of their near useless appearing resumes.

Assuming these clowns have not given any of the top administrators a serious venerial desease, then they will have one of the $100,000 jobs that it takes to appear successful beyond your limited IQs type job.

What they are extremely good at is setting up redundant, never ending procedures for simple matters that require many artificial yet necassay visits and phone calls to their office(s). This makes their staff appear so busy as to not be able to do the jobs assigned to them, but in reality they are just toying with people due to their boring meaningless positions.

The directors that extend from three generations of equally lazy and useless dullards are not to be found anywhere on campus on Mondays or Fridays, unless the weather is really lousey. They cannot be found on Tuesdays or wednesdays because they have meetings at the local hotels at taxpayer expense on those days that include lavish meals and kickbacks from the hotel owners to keep it that way. Thursdays they are usually at their doctors getting their fourth colonoscopy, since they have to be good at something afterall.

Other than that it runs pretty much like a well oiled machine.

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David commented about 1 month ago:

I'm going to school on the G.I. Bill now. You know when you sign up for the G.I. bill that it won't pay for your entire education. You invest one hundred dollars a month for a year and in return get twenty times that. If you want to use your G.I. bill go to community college for your first two years get good grades save on cost, then go to a University. The largest problem is the rising education costs, this is a problem everyone faces.

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milivet commented 2 months ago:

funny, I went to school on the GI Bill and received everything as stated in writing. Paid in full for my entire four years. The one arse stating " I was under the impression it would be paid in full" Fools, resdearch and know what yopu are signing....it can not get any clearer and my standard 600 per month added with what I was able to invest on my own was more than adequate. As the prof will tell you, do not listen to molde dsound bites...do the research.

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Milani commented 2 months ago:

I am not surprised by the out right "DO NOT GIVE A F***!!!" by the McCain or any other republicans.
The general population needs to be aware of how often military members are screwed over. People do not hear about all the crap that they go through because the US military defends a democracy but does not practice it within it, so military members cannot speak as freely as the general public. Just because men and women chose to join the military to defend the rights of every American, should not mean that they should get screwed!

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MBO commented 2 months ago:

Kumpferman is an idiot. The sentiment expressed in this video is meaningful and should be heard. Kumpferman (did someone refer to him as Kunterman?) has his head stuck in a cavity from which he will never extricate it. Quite clearly, he is a victim of a lack of oxygen to the brain.

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Robert Kunferman commented 2 months ago:

Corrected for inflation from the 1970's minimum wage of $3.50 per hour, you would have a minimum wage of $13.00 per hour. Most of you will not make that, and not have medical benefits worth having. But that trash officer core will have it, as will your highly wasteful military.

Be smarter than your parents were and are, and vote both parties out that sold you out to make this country a cheap labor camp for the British.
Then we can run them back to their island, and seize all of their assets here, and exile the traitors like colin Powell, Rumsfeld, Wolfawicz, and other tripe that have not been acting in the interest of the real American people. And they all got rich selling you out to foreign owned business interests.

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Robert Kunferman commented 2 months ago:

Ask British petroleum, Dutch Shell, the puke Bush family, Bechtel family, and all of the other tripe that benefited from this war to thank you with their money. I am one of the people that is getting stiffed with the bill, while this government prints money to give a firesale to the British on everything in this country, especially our rights.

Turn off the TV, if you can afford any other form of entertainment. And remember that most of your fellow students are coming out of college $40,000 in debt, and many work forty hours a week on top of that. No Bullshit. I could do that when I was young, but I still realize that they are getting fucked in this deal more than anybody.

I would sugar coat it, but that is why you own three TV's, because you cannot handle the truth. That bunch of slag that hangs around the military for twenty years is a major problem as well. We barely need a standing Army at all, our Navy spies on Americans for foregnors, and the airforce sissies are run by the NSA, a privately owned foreign organization.

Now that it got this corrupt because the Democrats and repubes want it that wAY, IT CANNOT BE CORRECTED.

Be thankful they have not decided to do what they plan to do in the future: Start creating another more violent and corosive attack on your health, medicine, and other areas of trust that they want to keep secret.

Then you will finally realize that you are a colony of Britain again, and that you are just cheap dumb labor that works for no benefit to you.

Actually, maybe you will never figure it out, because you think that somebody within the system is allowed to educate you on this.

Go Figure why they tell us what we want and set all of our agendas. Because they need our money for their kids.

Solution: link all government spending to GDP growth. Seize all of the pensions of the Admirals, Generals, and anyone else like Powell's bank accounts, and get rid of about fifty persent of the government uselesses that are overtaxing our society. Then we can find a nascient or quesient level to base government growth only on GDP growth and wage growth.

You do not want to waste four or twelve years in college to make money for swines that are not in the building, and when they are it is even worse.

We also need to raise minimum wage to about thirteen dollars an hour, and to correct for that, we need to get rid of the Mexicans and about half of the government tripe, especially the wasteful military tripe. This foolishness has gone on long enough. It is time for you to quit acting like you are heros, and get in the business of thinking before you vote. Don't drag me down anymore than your tripe government is doing to all of us as it is.

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Robert Kunferman commented 2 months ago:

Scott, what would you know about patriotism? You spineless, discusting clerk. I am not a conservative, nor do I side with the Dems when I am at school. After you lick their boots, like you licked your officers boots clean, they will send you out just as dumb as you came in. Just like the military. You have the GI bill, now you want more. Then vote for McCained, cuz he will pay your medical expenses in the future, which will be more than you can pay doing honest work.

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Robert Kunferman commented 2 months ago:

Scott. You didn't do anything over there, and neither did most of the other self-proclaimed soldiers. The slimey dullards at University here, don't even know where Iraq is, don't care, and don't talk about it unless they are forced to. In some ways they are correct. If you had not gone there and not been an Army clerk or a cook, then maybe we would not be there wasteing our money on making Bush, Clinton, and tons of their foreign friends rich by you and other dummies being there.

At least that is how it appears that the college kids think. The majority of them were even dummer than you. They actually beleived trash like Colin and Bush when they lied about WMD's. At that time I was very unpopular with both sides, and the only, I am serious now, the only person I could find that thought that Bush, Cheney, Powell, Wolfawicz, rumsfeld, and the other dumb cunt condi were all lieing. I was the only person I could find, and I talk to lots more than you, with lots more diversity of thought than you surround your chump self with. The only person who would think and say that there were obviusly no weapons of mass destruction, and I even gave them all of the logical reasons why this was obvious.

If you were too dumb to listen to smart people, even if you could have found one, then you got off easy by not being killed, as your dumb ass should have been. Start paying attention and realize that this was a two-party war, not just the repubes.

Also, decide what needs to be done to people who are not counting our votes, stealing our rights, stealing our property, useing soldiers and policemen to scare us into giving it to them, and trying to harm us.

The retired factory workers at the VFW, from the Vietnam era, are too stupid to admit they were used, and their jobs are now being done by Mexicans. Either here or in Mexico, so you may just want to keep playing along with the Democrats at your University, so that you too can have a do nothing, sit down job in unkle swine's camp. The next time a war comes around(or British theiving expedition) you can sit at your lazy government job and not think. This way I can hear another future Scott whine that he did so much for our country and he can't siphor why he did, but he wants others to give him money? Boy, you are a democrat, but you just better be one at a university, now that your officer's dick isn't right there for you to suck into action.

Turn off the tube, and think for once. We don't need anymore students here at my school proving that they have a firm grasp of the obvious by sucking up to the democrats that run our universities(into the ground actually).

Then again, like most Irishmen, you won't make it on your scientific contributions, so maybe you have to put out such drivel just to survive. I have a University full of similar useless human beings, doing near nothing all day. You will be taken care of just fine, once they realize you are a traiter, and need to suck up to them to survive. You were well trained for it. Nothing new here, except that there may be no room for you, now that we printed tons of money to pay your near useless ass in Iraq, to do nearly nothing useful. The truth often hurts liars. I benefit nothing in lieing to you. Not one fucking benefit to me to lie to your useless ass. You already spent your overpriced allowance, now we seriously have a problem printing a whole lot more money like a third world country. Sure, why not? Just run it into the ground further, so Scott doesn't have to think or be real. Nothing new here.

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Robert Kunferman commented 2 months ago:

I am not surrounding myself with narrow minded idiots at the university(democrats) that repeat exactly what we all (each other) want to here. Nor am I doing the same with a bunch of uneducated idiots at the VFW. If you chose to live and converse with people who are too lazy to read history(like minds to you), then blame yourself. The Vietnam vets at the VFW didn't do much either, but far more risk than you clowns have.

This was not and is not a war. Do some reading of history about real wars, then you will understand why you were used to make a bunch of non-fighting people money. You should at some point come to grips with this, because otherwise you will be playing along with a media too controlled by foreignors to even want to tell us the truth. Turn off the tube, and practice cooking and sharpening pencils in an air-conditioned garage someplace. Then you will be ready for your next deployment, punk.

I am easy to find, so don't bother with your questions. I have enough enemies to keep me busy for a lifetime, so one more means one less in the future. I plan on getting even with all of the people who fucked me, why are you whining about it? Because you are incapable of even realizing who fucked you. My religion allows me to do this, yours is a problem for you, that you want to make a problem for us.

There must be a lazy, corrupt, FBI ghost-chaser job you can fit into very easily. The best part is that you never have to work, and you not doing anything all day will be kept a secret.

This country is under a foreign run coup. Your either with us or agin us, but your not an American if you side with this coup. Don't breed.

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scott commented 2 months ago:

BTW Robert Kuntferman?Sorry!I meant "Kunferman",I'm curious.Which rock did you crawl out from under?Could you possibly crawl back?Thanks a whole bunch.

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Robert Kunferman commented 2 months ago:

Reply to Daniel Powers:

Turn off the TV Dan. Your not a hero. So spare me the BS. I got out of the military with no benefits, had to wait six months to get into a one bedroom apartment for six hundred dollars a month rent outside of Boston. That, and work minimum forty hours per week, take night classes, and take classes at my training center.

I paid for it, and I am still working on my degree because of it.

We don't even need the clowns coming out of University now, and I have studied this long enough to realize most of you cannot do an honest days work on a construction sight for two very big reasons:
1.) You spineless dolts have spent too much time in the military not doing an honest days work, but instead sucking your officers dicks and killing time. If you don't do that you won't get promoted.
2.) You all realize that doing an honest days work in this country doesn't pay, and unlike civilized countries, we import labor so the government can again smear our faces in dog crap while you back them up. Get a job. I mean one where you havre to produce, and you will not want to see the government dullards thumbing themselves in their offices doing nothing useful.

Here is our main problem: We are printing money like crazy, because we are being told that we need a huge military standing around sucking each other's dicks doing nearly nothing. That applies to the near useless police and near useless firemen. That is how third world countries ruin their societies, so the British and Europeans can invest in our cheap labor, and hire our politicians to take your rights, so they can steal from us without any level of criminal prosecution.

Better yet, you tell me the battles you fought in, and if you are anything but infantry don't even bother to act like a soldier, because cooks, clerks, and support personel are not soldiers in my mind.

There were only a handful of days that any battles were fought in Iraq, and likely you were nowhere near any of it.

70% of the casualties in Iraq are women and children. 50% or more of our soldiers killed over there were killed by Americans, because you are so freaken stupid and jumpy that you should not even be allowed in the military. So play hero with the TV clowns and you silly families that thought Sadam was a threat to us.

As far as I am concerned, McCained has committed to giving you healthcare cards to use with no questions asked. That is worth a ton in benefits, it keeps the British run insurance companies out of the middleman routine, and it allows you to have far more benefits than the average US citizens. All that for doing next to nothing with your thumb up your ass in Iraq.

Now, hang around that bunch of dumbasses at the VFW until you all convince each other that General Franks was a traitor instead of Bush and the other clown coward civilians in his camp, including that pile of trash Colin Powell. Franks and other highly dedicated military men told the thieves that they would not break the law, violate the troops, or any other foolishness, and you clowns still today treat him like he did not sacrifice a lot in telling the foreign owned Bush family to get right with the world.

The Falujah retribution against civilians mostly, and the few weeks it took to bomb all of the buildings into rubble are all that has happened there for battles. The rest is just a bunch of fuck-ups that don't want to work for a living hanging around trying to pass themselves off as heroes. A more lazy bunch of useless people cannot be found outside of the military, except in the democratic party run federal and state government jobs. There-in lies your problem. The Democratic party has no intention of helping you with anything. They plan on doing what they have always done(you are too dumb to know this yet). They are going to create fake, designed to fail, programs that make their non-military and useless, spineless children a living off of your feeble complaints of no money, and hightmares.

If you have nightmares from riding around in a totally waste of money vehicle with tons of wasteful electronics in them, you should have shot your officers. All of this because your public was too stupid to realize that the Dems and the repubes wanted this war so they could steal our rights, money, land, and replace us with Mexican labor, so they can steal from them.

If you are having nightmares, then sleep it off. The degree that you think will be your answer to a better life was taken up by a democrat's kid, and he has the connections to not even have to show up for the job. The whole thing was a fiasco designed to steal our rights, so there are no heroes in this one.

If you want somebody to pay for your noghtmares then you will need to get the right tools to get to the people who harmed you. Many walk right down the streets of Washington everyday laughing at people like you for being so dumb as to sign up for the military, where officers make four times as much as enlisted swine, and have medical, school and other benefits. You will notice at the VFW that no officers are there, ever, so ask them to share their pay or put a bullet in one of their heads the first chance you get. No loss. They are just dumbassed yesmen who have you make them look good.

My military credentials are dwarfed by my ability to realize that you people can't get away from the media long enough to think for yourself. Neither can the idiots that are being turned out by my University, so this problem will re-occur for your children, if you do not start talking seriously about what you need to do to prevent it.

Two simple things: Make laws that do not allow us to colonialize another country for the British government and blue-bloods. And, make laws that hold all government officials criminally accountable for their actions. A third would be to ship all of the sell-out Irishmen, and all of the sell-out blacks in our government back to their respective countries and send the Mexicans packing, and we will all get by just fine among the intelligent people left in our society.

Anybody calling this a war is lieing from the get-go. We are doing dirty work for the Britis, Israel, and rich families like the Bushes. If it continues this way, you will have to burn all of it to the ground, like we did in the sixties, so the British can pay to rebuild it.

Your puppets for the rich, and too dumb to know it.

And no, NO we do not need to print anymore money to pay for soldiers, policemen, firefighters or any other near useless people. We cannot afford it, and we had no business being there in the first place, so take it out on the dems and pubes, and vote both parties out. They don't even count your votes anyway. Nor do they prosecute the thieves in government that steal from you, nor the ones who miscount your vote or disqualify you when you try to vote....etc. etc. etc.

You can spend a lifetime in college, and you likely cannot see past the Television. That is how dumb most people leave university, so don't expect much, and quit snivelling. Wait until you see the liars at the University level. These people are nearly incapable of telling the truth about anything. They only see money, and are sorry citizens for it. This is even in the sciences that are now being used to hide the fact that our government is willfully harmiong us with vacines, drugs, aerosol spraying in large cities, and other methods employed by the NSA to harm or kill U.S. citizens. The Universities are taking their money and looking the other way. They have no choice. They need a new car and three televisions just as much as the next slug with a doctorate degree.

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scott commented 2 months ago:

Isn't it interesting how right wingers love to compare the Iraq quagmire/oil theft to WW2 when it is politically expedient to do so?Given their exploitation of patriotism,its also fascinating that these facts never come up:
"The law gave the following benefits to U.S. soldiers coming home from World War II:

education and training opportunities
loan guarantees for a home, farm, or business
job-finding assistance
unemployment pay of $20 per week for up to 52 weeks if the veteran couldn't find a job
priority for building materials for Veterans Administration Hospitals.

For most, the educational opportunities were the most important part of the law. WWII veterans were entitled to one year of full-time training plus time equal to their military service, up to 48 months. The Veterans Administration paid the university, trade school, or employer up to $500 per year for tuition, books, fees and other training costs. Veterans also received a small living allowance while they were in school."

Personally I am repulsed by the notion that Vets returning from this disgraceful slaughter in the Mid East would be somehow getting a "free ride" if their schooling and medical needs were addressed.Patriotism is much more than lapel pins,and tuning into Rush Limbaugh every day to find new ways to hate Liberals.Its about supporting the GD Troops!

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Mary Angell commented 2 months ago:

It is rediculous that our military,police, firefighters, and the like... make so little putting their lives on the line for us while movie stars, athletes and politicians make absurd amounts of money! Talk about thankless and out of line! The whole wages thing in this country needs to be revamped! The people who work the hardest and do the most needed and dangerous jobs, make "near the bottom-of-the- barrel" in wages and hardly have a pot to pee in. My husband has a job that he has worked for 36 continuous years, which has destroyed his body, while the major company he works for barely gives him a raise each year, keeps cutting his benefits and retirement. With the way investments and social security have gone for the baby-boomer generation and the future generations....if things aren't revamped...we will not be able to EVER retire and will work until we drop over dead on the job! (Middle and lower classes are now the slaves of this country!) Wake up America! Everyone needs to hound their Congressman, Senators and the President about his situation! Don't just sit back for an easy ride with your head in the sand! Do something before you don't have anything left to do anything for!

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mark wichterman commented 3 months ago:

...and why won't the MSM ask this question.
Just like the corp media gushed over the Shrub and would not ask him the tough questions, here we go again. Can you spell President McCain? Don't worry, your local newspaper and network and cable news outlets will help you with this.

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Daniel Powers commented 3 months ago:

Who the f*** are you Robert Kunferman??? At least list your military credentials or anything before making a statement so obscene? If you are lost in some kind of fantasy land I invite you to come to along & talk to some of these veterans who are struggling through school now, struggling to put food on our family (oh wait oops that's what some DUMBASS told us to do), & waking up from nightmares regarding a WAR. Do yourself a favor & study what you preach before pumping out some BULLSHIT! It isn't the Democrats or Republicans losing this battle it's the f'n piss poor leadership we have to follow. Your statements are baseless & make we want to throw up Chickenhawk.

SSGT Daniel J. Powers

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Carl Robinson commented 3 months ago:

It is an easy task to send the military into battle, what seems to be lacking is equipping them, caring for them, and supporting them after the battle. Lets evaluate the problem.

I want to state outright, this is not my thinking, it is their thinking . . .

"The soldier, sailor, marine, or airman is expendable. When you sign up with any of the services, the governments position at that time is, 'We own you.'" You are then a piece of property, and a disposable one at that.

So lets look at the equipping them part . . .

Lets just take the whole Humvee armor situation. Any vehicle the military has should be providing the personnel operating them the best protection from high velocity rounds. Whether in an urban street environment or the open arid desert where there isn't much in the way of shelter, these vehicles should be something of a safe haven and shelter for the troops in battle. For the Secretary of Defense to state, "We go into battle however we are supplied at the time . . .", well, that's why I got out after 9 and a half years. I can think for myself and I sure am not going to rely on the US Government to do the right thing for people they feel are expendable.

As far as caring for the service members after they've been injured we only have to look at the situation at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington with the deplorable conditions in it's med hold facilities. But to be fair, prior to the war, the facility had been tagged for base closing. And after the Agent Orange fiasco from Viet Nam or the Gulf War Syndrome from the First Gulf War, and treating PTSD from all three of the conflicts, I would say the treatment, or rather denial of treatment and responsibility has spoken for itself.

Then after the Veteran gets out of the service, the benefits they were promised when they joined, simply have not kept up with inflation, especially in the Education area. College's and Universities all across this country have increased tuition, and the GI Bill has not increased to keep pace with these rising costs. The after care the service members are entitled to, not only physically, but also mentally is their, but it may take time to first get it approved. That's something that has to be seriously looked at. You have to prove it is service connected and THE VA has to either approve or disapprove, and its based on what you are able to get to prove your case.

I can bet you this, Members of Congress and the Administration don't have to worry about their health care, or retirement for their future.

It is not America's best and brightest that are leading America . . . and the worst is, we vote them in based on their promises, and in most cases, their lies.

If Senator McCain can't support the veterans he's willing to send off to war, then why should they support him . . .

Be involved, be educated in your decisions because whether they are decisions in your personal life or in decisions about who governs us.

It is my own personal opinion, but, my belief is, The Republican Party only cares about Corporations and the Rich who can give money to their party. I think Abraham Linclon, who was a Republican would be very unimpressed with the direction the party h as taken. It is also my belief that the current President of the United States is unfit for the office and should be impeached. He has lied to the American People and the world, he has not supported or defended the Constitution of the United States as he swore to do against enemies both foreign and domestic, and he and some of the people in his administration are war criminals and should be tried as such.

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Robert Kunferman commented 3 months ago:

Actually, McCained claims that he will issue a medical card to all Veterans to have their choice of medical care paid for wherever they use it. That alone is by far much more to Veterans than anybody could possibly do, and if you cannot do the math of how much this is worth to Veterans, then you need the schooling, but will unlikely bring much to the party after you get your near useless degree.

The Democrats have only said nothing at all, and lied about the rest, so maybe you are just not capable of finding sit-down do nothing work(that the government is full of, and especially the military). Get a construction job for awhile, see what it is like to actually do productive work, realize how corrupt our democratic party designed insurance industry is to real working people. Then, and only then, will your realize who the thieves are, who keeps the thieves there, and how important the medical card would be to you.

Watching Mutual of Obama try to run a country would be embarrassing and full of never ending conversations about his personal life and his corrupt dealings in Chicago. That is, unless he just sells the American people out, like Clinton did. Then they will leave him alone until the second term, then claim his lame duck status is just part of the election year BS.

Same shit just different assholes. The democrats have failed to find candidates who are without crimes, scandal, murders, and gangster backing, so vote outside of the two-party system, so they at least have to prove that they don't even count the votes. Then maybe we can have trials, and hang them for treason. If found guilty by a jury of dumb factory workers.

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Jim Sower commented 3 months ago:

I am a Marine veteran of two tours in Vietnam and got little enough out of the GI educational benefits then. The deplorable way we are teating our current veterans is the utterly predictable result of a very few carrying the very many while the many are not asked to so much as turn over their hand for this "defining struggle of the 21st century". Now why this administration chose to fight this "...devining struggle ..." on the cheap - too few troops with too little equipment and support - is unclear, but that is another discussion. These young men and women who are carrying ALL of the burdens deserve, at the very least, a benefit package in every way equivalent to that offered after WWII. They are unlikely to get it from such a narcissistic citizenry as the US public. Sad.

Suppose we were to bring back the draft? With NO deferments. NONE. AT ALL. If everyone shared the burden as was more nearly the case in WWII, veterans would be treated with a little more respect. A collateral benefit might be a little more thought before we took to invading folks with such recless abandon. If the Bush twins were in harm's way, or some senators' sons were walking point, things would be a LOT different. But the draft is anathema to all of the high priced help for exactly that reason - they would have to act responsibly or their OWN kids would pay the price.

Hostage Mike

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jl0311 commented 3 months ago:

I think this is out of hand. If you are a veteran stop crying to the public. It is as much of an embarrasment as the movie "Jarhead". Grow a pair. If you enlisted for college money then your not that bright to begin with. Things like studying, grants/loans/scholarships, determination, initiative are alot smarter than risking your life for money. If you enlisted young and now coming out is your first taste of the real world, well well youre in for a surprise. Dont piss and moan like the world owes you something, you probably only did it for college money anyway. What you have in life is a total summation of your ambition, and guess how much crying on the internet pays. If you dont have what you want then you either dont want it bad enough to go get it or flat out dont deserve it.

Semper

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Jim commented 3 months ago:

I am a Viet Nam "Era" vet. Served from 73-77. When I got out I used my GI Bill for college. Even back in 77 the amount wasn't enough. I went to school full time while holding 2-3 part time jobs at the same time. I suppose at that time if I would have gone to a 2 year community college it wouldn't have been such a financial struggle but then I wouldn't have a 4 year degree. Maybe we could stop paying out SSI and RSDI to illegal immigrants as well as medicaid and food stamps. Save a Billion here and a Billion there. The priority should be our citizens and citizen Soldier,Sailors and Airmen. Stop trying to be so politically correct and get back to the basics. Support our military men and women, active duty, retired, prior service and reserve. Everyday is Veterans day for survivors!

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Brian commented 3 months ago:

I am a Marine vet who is currently going to college on the GI Bill here in CA and it barely covers my tutition and books and this is only due to the fact that I live at home. I also have a part-time job that pays $11/hr. The fact is, not every can live at home with their parents. Some people have bad families, or are married, or need to live on campus or an apartment for various reasons (as opposed to just wanting to). The GI Bill comes no where close to making that possible here in CA. I understand that the GI Bill should have reasonable limits, but it is time to increase the amount no matter what. The numbers being floated about seem reasonable to me. I believe one number was something like $1,700/month for full-time students. While I don't think its reasonable for the government to pay for higher priced private and public schools, but I think that the spirit of the GI Bill was meant to allow vets to go school without having to work in order to cover their tuition and college related expenses.

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M Griffin commented 3 months ago:

I am a Marine and served in an infantry unit from Sept 98 -03. Last spring I graduated from school and I used the GI Bill. What stood out to me most about your video was that the vets stating what they wanted was money to cover things beyond school like meals and electricity. I received $1150 a month ($13800 a year) while in school, and to me that is a huge help. Add in $2000 a semester for the Pell grant, which everyone coming out of the military and going to school should apply for right away. Tuition at William and Mary, a prestigious school in VA is $9164 a year. In doing the math you can see that one could well afford school. What i believe the kicker is for the vets in the video is that they don't want to have to work as well. They are correct that if they don't get a job they most likely wont have money to buy food and electricity. The vets also make statements like I was "under the impression" and I would "pretty much" get my school paid for. I feel for them because the recruiters most likely mislead them but they had also had a responsibility to read the contract and find out what the decision they made was all about. Where has our accountability gone? In actuality they are getting everything they signed up for. And now they have to get a job and go to school. In actuality they are getting everything they signed up for. They have to watch spending and can't do what they used to and it's frustrating I know. But it's an education not live for free and go to school for fun time. More money is always nice, and I am for more but don't let people tell you that they can not afford to go to school because the GI bill isn't enough. You can't live on it alone and go to school but it certainly pays for school. Maybe not private schools or where you are out of state, I will admit to that.
And Mr.Greenwald I have to say I read your blurb about Fox news and I find it funny because from your videos and blog I would say you are just as biased and don't hold the objectiveness that you tout journalist should have with as high regard you would like others to believe. If people like what you say because they like your spin on it then your not a journalist, you're an entertainer. If people like you because you get to the bottom and root out truth, with personal opinions aside, then you are a journalist. Unfortunately, those people seem to be almost extinct.

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Carol Crumpler commented 3 months ago:

I feel so much for all these Vet's coming home now. let me tell you the Vet. adiministration did not tell the soldiers of WW 2 what they were allowed, as they do not today. My father was approved aug. 07 for Pension and aide and attendance, but he never received his benefits. My father died March 8, 2008, he would have been 90 years old March 30, 2008 and he never received any benefits, and never asked for anything from his goverment, because he didn't know he was due anything. The Veteran's Administration is the worse horror show I have ever seen. This system is flawed, disrespectful of our men and woman that have served their country with great honor.
I say SHAME ON YOU - to our system. I feel our system is complacent with the needs of our veterans, and we have become a country of the disregarded. It is too late for my precious father, but it is not too late to fight for the rights of our new veterans. PLEASE PRAY SOMEONE WILL SEE THE HORROR AND DISRESPECT FOR THESE WONDERFUL MEN AND WOMAN. I PRAY FOR YOU EACH AND EVERY DAY. Carol Folsom Crumpler ( a tax paying citizen that pays taxes without representation. Oh, by the way I am a republican.

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Kat commented 3 months ago:

Charlie(in red 5 days ago)
I don't believe you took out $7,000 in education loans because you had to or you must have been living well beyond your means if you were getting you GI Bill and a military salary. I do believe they need a better education comp but they will have to do something because most parents aren't pushing their children into the military even if they are poor, they would rather have poor alive children then dead ones. They already have big enlistment bonus for those willing to go directly to war after their training.

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Berton Siegel commented 3 months ago:

I am a veteran of the Korean War, drafted and served 1954-1956. I went on to again serve our country as a civilain doctor setting the first 5th
Army Hdqs eye clinic pre examining enlistees for The Vietnam war, (1965-'66) I with aid would see 1000 pre enlistees to save our govt. thousand of
dollars in medical fees. At that time many individuals were enlisted, sent to "boot camp" with various unacceptable eye conditions and had to be sent back.

I definately feel after 4000+ lives have been lost
in this Iran debacle, a post army complete educational (GI) is the least our country can do!

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patralink commented 3 months ago:

John McCain is 1st and foremost a republican. A republican looks out for corporate profits-screw the individual. This man is nothing but a war worshiper. If you like the direction that this country has gone, on the verge of a depression then vote for him. When you vote for him realize that you are voting for, an endless occupation of Iraq, other wars that have yet to be announced (although they are already planned), continued theft of our tax money for the military, a ruination of our infrastructure, ruination of public schools, corporate welfare, no healthcare for hundreds of thousands of Americans. He's also an old dude who does not have a grasp of a modern world. He also cannot seem to remember the difference between Iraq and Iran for that matter. John McCain would be another disaster for America, following on 8 years of the bush/cheney disaster.

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leoburg commented 3 months ago:

I doubt the bill will go for enough for me. We can not do enough for any one who has been put in harms way. But then I still dream of the day when the military is turned into a real Peace Corp. Which will help feed people before they turn into our enemies.

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joy commented 3 months ago:

Ken T -- Your inability to spell and punctuate correctly speaks volumes for the quality of the education and indoctrination you received.

Steve -- People join the military because they are led to believe that it is a responsible way to provide for themselves and family. Aside from governments and corporations, how are most people able to take care of themselves, and what recourse do they have when those institutions lie to them?

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jackie commented 3 months ago:

First off--Truths be Known--right on! Secondly, I usually support Bravenew endeavors, but Whoa! on this one! War is first of all an obscenity. The tactics the military uses to get kids to sign on is disgraceful--the envy of any used car salesman (no offense). Thirdly, LISTEN to these young men in this video. They are saying that this GI Bill will make the military MORE attractive, thereby enlisting more and more young people, and continuing the bloodshed in Iraq, for say, 100 years? People who play the Dem vs. Repugs game, seriously, Where were the Dems when the Repugs were formulating and setting their evil plans in motion? How in the name of sense and sensibilty did Blackwater get their contract renewed even after all the publicity? Quietly getting their checks,and complacently working on I don't know what programs--maybe the farm bill? there's a joke! My senator does not believe that impeaching Dick cheney is a priority--then what is? My congresswoman does not believe that protecting young women around the world from military rapists (including our brave soldiers--c'mon, you know they don't make 'em like they used to)is something we should be involved in. She is busy supporting rice growers in southern Missouri. Anyway, I agree with Truths be Known--why get Mccain on board? It will just give him more ammo in his rhetoric. The man is only slightly less an idiot than Bush, but people are actually telling me they will vote for him, if Clinton gets the Dem nomination, because they see him as the lesser of two evils! Grammar and syntax errors be damned! If John McCain is elected President of the United States, I will emigrate to someplace far away! Lastly, EVERYONE should be able to get an education, as well as health care in this greatest of nations, damn it! It not just the GIs that are being used and discarded. To hell with politics. Why not fight for ALL of us to get what the lesser industrialized nations' citizens provide for one another, for crying out loud?

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E.B. commented 3 months ago:

I'm in the military now, it's sad that people of such low character and intelligence are allowed into service, but they do not speak on behalf of the majority of the military. Do not support their weakness...

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Ken.T. commented 3 months ago:

I'm a Veteran of the Vietnam War, and I am discussed with some of the language that has been used on this sight. I didn't fight for the right of "Drongos and Dill's" to put bad language onto public sights like this. I do believe that the reason that some of you have trouble being listened to or taken seriously is the fact that you have been deprived of an upbringing in common courtesy. So stop your complaining, you all have the best Government that money can buy, and the best that you deserve. Why do you think you are stuck with the "Lackeys" of big business and administration is weak-kneed? Because you morons can't see past your own predigests and your own foul language, habits, and attitudes that bring you down. Until you decide to use your God Given Right to be civil and courteous, you will remain as you are. The Under Dog's deprived of any real respect that you all crave. I was asked to look at this sight and get my Brother Veterans to consider supporting it. Why would I do that when it is only read and supported by the Morons of the worst type.
You will have the right to condemn me and state you're feelings to wards me and my comments. I will not object, because I will not be back to read your filth.
God Bless America, because she dam well needs it with the current generation coming through.

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Steve commented 3 months ago:

Wake up and pay attention, you are responsible for you and yours not the governnment. The government is only a hindrance.

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Skip commented 3 months ago:

I am a veteran who just recently got out of the Navy after serving for 5 years. Looking at this video, I'm sure that these veterans worked hard as I did and want to go to college like I am now. What puzzles me is who told them that they would get a free ride in college. I was never misguided like these veterans supposably were. I work a full time job and take at least 3 classes per semester. My GI bill monthly payment is approx. $830.00 per month, with the possibility of over $1000 per month during shortened semesters. This is very good amount of money and I have been able to pay for each semester since I have been going to college without having financial issues. I am also going to a large university with tuition fees that are fairly high (approx $300 per credit, not including books and fees.) Looks to me as if this video is agenda driven and does not accurately describe the GI Bill and it's benefits to veterans. If they are going to change it, great, but don't talk down about it when it really is helping veterans like myself and several of my classmates. Perhaps someone with similar experience would like to comment?

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Boilermaker commented 3 months ago:

That's Purdue University in the the old video explaining the GI Bill of Rights. You can see the bell tower and then the union. Boiler Up!

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johnrosina commented 3 months ago:

Hopeless. I agree, You are HOPELESS! You add nothing of value to this discussion.

Cynthia, whether we agree or not, comments like that come from trite and silly people.

As a Vietnam Veteran, I never felt I was owed anything. Of course, if you are a casualty or physically handicapped by war, our government needs to be accountable for their care.

It amuses me how people can become so huffy over veterans benefits, however, by citing "lazy, undeserving, bleeding heart, earn your keep" types of arguments. You are often the same free market folks who actually remain silent when CEO's make multi-millions of dollars in salary anually. I suppose you think they are worth that much and earn it. Think again. Income and wealth redistribution needs to happen so our country can prosper as a whole. And if you believe these Hedge Fund and Predatory Investment Banker types have our economic well being at heart, you are delusional.
The 30 Billion loan guarantees by The FED (a privately held institution, incidentally) to assist JPMorgan in their buyout of Bear Stearns will be paid by we taxpayers and, yes, veterans. And the CEO of Bear Stearns. who is incompetent beyond all measure, is kept on a chairman of the board of directors. Ludicrous! My generation of business leaders are the greediest, most incompetent schmucks ever! Ever!
Best regards to all of our children. And kudos to GW Bushs' unfunded "No Child left anything".

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humanist commented 3 months ago: